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Re: Starfire 441

Post by Mike A » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:49 pm

Mike, I guess the seat issue will only be known once I use the bike. Did you change yours back to standard or find an alternative?
I fitted a B50 scrambles seat in the end. the bike has had a couple of incarnations during the initial build, its basically a scrambler but used really for hillclimbs as we're somewhat lucky here in the West Country/Southwest with choice of venues.

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Re: Starfire 441

Post by zuff » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:15 am

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So, after a bit of fettling to the stem (thanks Wayne) so that my taper roller bearings fitted, I finally got the Ceriani GP35 replica forks fitted. Some progress at last!

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Re: Starfire 441

Post by bbenxe » Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:01 am

Mike A wrote:
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[its basically a scrambler but used really for hillclimbs as we're somewhat lucky here in the West Country/Southwest with choice of venues.
Mike where do you go hill-climbing? I'm in Bristol and have done Prescott once on my B50 but am interested in more...
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Re: Starfire 441

Post by Ian Hingley » Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:34 pm

bbenxe wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:01 am
Mike where do you go hill-climbing? I'm in Bristol and have done Prescott once on my B50 but am interested in more...
Hey Ben

Here's the South West Championship:

https://www.aswmc.org.uk/aswmc-champion ... ill-climb/

There was one at Hartland Quay yesterday (Sunday) though that doesn't seem to be listed. My boss went down to watch. I was otherwise detained, thrashing the Victor for 250 miles competing in the MCC Edinburgh Trial...

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Re: Starfire 441

Post by zuff » Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:43 am

Wheels finally back from wheel builders. Couldn't resist a quick dry build.
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Re: Starfire 441

Post by koncretekid » Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:36 pm

Very nice! Have they pressed a "beauty ring" (for lack of a better word) onto the front hub? What is(was) the front brake plateoff of? And I don't recognize the shocks - - are they upside down?

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P.S. I've gone back in your build to see that the "beauty ring(s)" are actually fins. But it seems they must have put in the spokes on the finned side before attaching the fins?
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Re: Starfire 441

Post by zuff » Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:06 am

I dont know what the donor brake for the front is. I saw it at Stafford and just had to buy it.
The shocks are from the same place as the forks...Cafe Racer Suspension of Hungary, now distributed in UK by John Cronshaw. They are right way up although I have noticed that the tighter spring windings are assymetric right and left....done that way in the factory but I wonder what effect that will have on handling??

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Re: Starfire 441

Post by beesa71 » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:50 am

Mick uses the OEM BSA/Triumph conical front hub as the basis and the 'internals' are Commando 2LS front brake based.

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Re: Starfire 441

Post by koncretekid » Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:06 pm

In your post http://b50.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=8191#p78104 it shows a flat headed screw which I assume holds the fins in place. So do you remove the fins in order to place the spokes in that side, then press and attach the fins? Then to find a spare Norton front 2ls brake plate. In any case, they are beauties!
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Re: Starfire 441

Post by zuff » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:18 pm

Yes, I think those screws are removed so the spokes can be laced up...but I did not lace them myself. They went off to a specialist and they did a fine job. Now having fun sourcing appropriate spacers to get everything lined up and ship shape. Not possessing or being able to use a lathe is obviously limiting. Maybe something for the future if this special creating bug bites! But web seaching is free. Just ordered a variety of spacers from Les Williams so I can tinker next weekend. Our rich heritage of cottage industries deserves our support.

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Re: Starfire 441

Post by Mike A » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:47 pm

bbenxe wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:01 am
Mike A wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:49 pm
[its basically a scrambler but used really for hillclimbs as we're somewhat lucky here in the West Country/Southwest with choice of venues.
Mike where do you go hill-climbing? I'm in Bristol and have done Prescott once on my B50 but am interested in more...
Hi, I'm in Cheltenham so yes Prescott is my local hill, Ive not done much (yet) but next year I'd like to give the hills in Devon a go sometime, check out the hillclimb association site www.nhca.co.uk I took it up Redmarley last Easter, all going well until it decided to dump me off which resulted in a few bent bits on the bike (easy fixable) and a bruised shoulder, backside and a broken thumb, but there's always next year! :thumb

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Re: Starfire 441

Post by zuff » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:47 pm

Meanwhile, back at my rebuild..... :roll:

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Re: Starfire 441

Post by zuff » Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:37 pm

Slowly sorting my way through complex (to me) issues with getting the wheels mounted. Lots of trial and error but I'm getting there. Now investigating options for rearset footrest mountings. I could manufacture my own from alloy plate but would rather locate pre made ones that fit. The aim is to have this look as factory as possible. Has anyone else found anything that works?
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Re: Starfire 441

Post by zuff » Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:46 pm

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After a lot of dry installs, finally got the spacers to a minimum and it all seems to bolt up OK.

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Re: Starfire 441

Post by zuff » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:39 pm

Slow but steady progress. I am trying to pursue the conversion from amateur bodger to basic level mechanic and restorer. It takes time but I am finding the patience for it! So I have now been able to complete a dry build of both front and rear wheels. As Minety reminded me, lots of inspiration, measuring and adaptation is required!
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Re: Starfire 441

Post by beat » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:45 pm

it is coming nicer than new :!:

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Re: Starfire 441

Post by zuff » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:23 pm

Thanks Beat.
The inspiration is to build this bike as it could or should have been to combat the rise of Japanese invasion. Those of us who started our biking in the early 70's will remember the stark difference between shiny new almost bespoke looking Japanese machines and our ageing, greying and cheaply developed British stock. For the younger rider there was not really a viable smart new low capacity bike. I really wanted to ride British and traded my FS1-E for a Starfire. But then a mate had a Ducati 250 Desmo....at least that bike could hold its head up against CB/RD/GT/KH 250's. The Starfire was just a joke by comparison.
So I want to build a bike that uses crafted components in keeping with the time but showing what could have been if bikes were built with pride and ambition and not down to a price by a bunch of time expired bean counters!

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