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Re: Project Mail from Beat

Post by beat » Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:27 pm

bad idea who, because then I change the " transmition " !
I would prefere to give the hand-zylinder a bit more way to move, but for this to do , it needs a other thing then a lathe.... :cry:
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Post by minetymenace » Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:26 pm

Shorter lever on the gearbox end maybe
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Post by Mark Cook » Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:30 pm

We get to play with this one soon Gerry :roll:
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Post by minetymenace » Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:41 pm

I am confident we won't have this problem Mark.............
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Re: Project Mail from Beat

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Post by Mark Cook » Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:23 pm

Gerry knows that there are no problems. Only solutions. Solution 1. lots of coffee. If that doesn't work. 2. Lots and lots of beer.
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Re: Project Mail from Beat

Post by beat » Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:12 pm

what abouth the english tea ?
comes this after the headache ?
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Re: Project Mail from Beat

Post by beat » Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:08 pm

hi al,
after the big winter overhauling, I have started the engine only a vew times now, have done say 5 Kms in the saddle so far. :grin:

made a other try today, - but by kickstarting the thing,- just by the first cuples combustings, I guess it has blown outh the HEAD GASKET !
ad least, I have realised dull engine sound and smoke from between Barrel and Head :!: :!: :!:
as the engine is very difficult to kicking over - 80 kg on the 30cm Kickstart lever is not enough, - ( unlucky no bouncing beer-belly to help with ) - I have decidet to dismantling the head and barrel again and set the 1.5 mm spacer plate in place under the barrel !

maibe the high compression is the result of the repaired ( weldet ) Head and the machining of the sealing surface, as well the result of the now used PES Piston from Mark ?
anyway, tomorrow, the sun will se me not " in the saddle " ( doing a first nice ride as planed ) , no , I wil screwing on the B50 a other couples of hours <128
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Re: Project Mail from Beat

Post by beat » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:39 pm

hi al,
coming back to this " liquid cluch cable "
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20$ thingi
wich has lost the nipple after a 2 ore 3 tousend Km`s.
so I decidet to make a "clamp on " nipple for this cable wich is actualy just a 2 mm rod.
started by a 12 mm pice of StSteel on the lathe
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then get the flats and the holes and threads ( 3 mm ) on the miller,
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and finaly grinding and polishing to its final form
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and fit the thing -
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clamp on nipple for the hydr. cluch
there it gos !!!!


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and as for the rear tire: the Michelin Sirac has done 10400 Km wich is not bad I think, ( a tire with a perfect road contact, I realy love it ! ) but now I try the Mezzeler Sahara, wich is a bit more knobby.
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tire change after 10 000 Km

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Re: Project Mail from Beat

Post by britgaskets » Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:51 am

OMG! Beat, this liquid clutch lever thingy still is using the bad rack design and a CABLE! that is not right so I want to make a suggestion. Cut the side cover over the old rack area stick that hydrualic clutch thingy in the hole created with a ball on the end or a hardened point to engage the pushrod directly. I have seen a three ball triumph style lifter in a unit single but no side cover welded hydraulic yet. I am going to turn up a couple of those emergency nipple clamps though! that is great fab idea.
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Re: Project Mail from Beat

Post by Ian Hingley » Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:28 pm

I think beat's hydraulic clutch pulls rather than pushes, hence acts like a cable. I like your idea, but he'd need a different mechanism to push directly on the pushrod.

Maybe fit it at the clutch end and use the pull action to lift the pressure plate off the basket??

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Re: Project Mail from Beat

Post by Mark Cook » Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:45 pm

Minety's Beast has a piston in the right hand cover to push the rod. Just no wiring :laugh
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Re: Project Mail from Beat

Post by beat » Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:54 pm

hi PES,
give me 2 ore 3 timing side outer covers to work on, - and it will be done, the hydraulik directly to the clutch push rod !

but se, my material is very limited - I have only this one ! ( wich is working and not wayting to be finished...... )

fitting it on the left hand side and pull is not a good idea IMO, because the left hand side is the heavier and more sticking out side now already.

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Re: Project Mail from Beat

Post by beat » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:03 pm

hi al,

abouth hydraulik on B50,

I am planing to fit a liquid cable for the front bracke as wel.
so, same zylinder, but a right hand hydr. lever.
next week I go to have a look ad a hydraulik lever ( from a race Scooter / Moped ) wich I think it can fit to this smal size piston.

will let you know how it works it out..... <216

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Re: Project Mail from Beat

Post by bossy » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:12 pm

Scroll down to near the botton of this page,

http://www.triumph-spares.co.uk/gift.php

Someone else has already done all the R&D for you - at £102 its a gift.

And think of all the advantages, its heaver, more complicated, less reliable and way more expensive than a cable. Sold to the man who likes to solve problems he doesn't have ;-)

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Re: Project Mail from Beat

Post by beat » Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:38 pm

hi bossy,
you forget one thing : the hydraulik makes the cluch pulling much easier ( around 1/3 ).
and if you have to replace a old rotten cable anyway...
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Post by minetymenace » Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:02 am

bossy,

I've had a good look at that triumph one, its won't fit a BSA unit single....
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Re: Project Mail from Beat

Post by beat » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:07 pm

hi al,
as my bike is indoor now, I will replace some parts on it.
for example the Rear Transmition: front Sproket 18 T, Chain and RearSproket 50T ( Aluminium ).
al have done now 16 000 Kms, it is Time to replace .
Question : how long do you guis going with one set of it ?

then the Tires: the front one, Michelin Sirac, has done the same amount of Kms, - the rear one, Metzeler Sahara , has done only 6 000 Kms and is flat as the skin of a sausage !

as third, I have got from TMS in Nottingham a 7" Headlamp conversion for the Halogene H4 Globe, hope it will be a bit a upgrade for my " enlighting ".

so far
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Re: Project Mail from Beat

Post by beat » Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:08 pm

hi gents,
as descript above, one of the bad sides of this tecopart hydraulic cable is the restricted movement of the zylinder.
in practical use it means : disengaging the cluch compleately by a cold engine is not possible . ( at least not by my one :( )
as soon the engine revs, the desengaging is good enough and is making no problems.
but for a bumpstart for example it needs a total desengage, so I bought a second one and put my hands on it to modif the thingy a litle bit.
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the piston out of the handlebar hydraulic
good to see the long pressure spring to return the piston with the two sealrings.
by studing the al action of the piston I cam to the rusult as the pistons bore (11 MM ) is long enough to make more travel, but the spring is restricting the end of the way of it.
so, I took a 10.5 MM drill, wraped some tape around the drill to not make any scraches to the bore and drilled the bore 2.5 MM deeper by the 10.5 MM as the spring is on its outside diameter.
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carefully making the bore deeper by hand drilling for about 2.5 MM
after this, I streched the spring by the same good 2.5 MM to get the same force to push back the piston as original.
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spring streching
fitting al back together, spending some time to get al the air out of the system - same as by a hydr. brake - and there it gos :!:
yes I know, the 2.5 MM have been taking from the thread lengt now where the hose banjo is fitted on, but this thread is still long enough for a tight fit of it.

and yes, - now the cluch releases nicely evan in cold condition :grin:

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Re: Project Mail from Beat

Post by beat » Sun Jul 06, 2014 8:37 pm

hi gents,

as I am on now to change POLARITY on my bike from + PLUS on fraim to - MINUS on fraim and + in the wire, I do ask myself is it beter to open a new Topic for it ore should I post it in here ?

what means the boss ??
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Post by minetymenace » Sun Jul 06, 2014 9:45 pm

not the boss, but why not start a new topic?

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Post by b50root » Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:11 pm

I´m the boss :shock: New topic please.


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Re: Project Mail from Beat

Post by beat » Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:31 pm

b50root wrote:I´m the boss New topic please.
yes Sir.
minetymenace wrote:Did you watch the tennis?
what is " tennis " ??

no TV in my castle. :???:

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Re: Project Mail from Beat

Post by blaise » Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:16 pm

I just saw this thread for the first time Beat.

Great work!! Impressive for sure.

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Re: Project Mail from Beat

Post by beat » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:14 pm

was on the gearbox today.
will fit a 19 frontsprock on the reartransmition.
and , mainly, replacing the first gearset with the one from PES, the one for slower first gear.
was digging all out, then, mainproblem: how to get the little gear off the splinned mainshaft ??
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the big gear just swap, - the litle stuck like hell.
needing a hydraulik Press to get it off.
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fit the cutter upside down....
find the matching machine on the other corner of my hause....
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a pice of a waterpipe to take the shaft....
some seconds later:
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the shaft is out and the smal gear can be replaced.
lucky to heat the home with wood only and having a 10 Tonnes machine to prepare the firewood....
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I am realy wondering how this smal first gear is to ride with a final gearing of 19 / 50 rear transmition......
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Post by Ian Hingley » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:35 pm

You'll be the local wheelie king beat! <216

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Post by Jack Gifford » Fri Aug 01, 2014 7:01 am

Ian Hingley wrote: ... You'll be the local wheelie king...
Not really, not with 19/50 rear drive. But he should be good for about 200 KPH in 4th... :roll:
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Post by Mark Cook » Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:52 am

Now your going as low as you can go in first Beat, you know we also make another gear set that makes 2nd and 3rd more friendly
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Post by koncretekid » Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:02 pm

I just got back from Loring, Maine, where I used Mark's low gear with 21 to 42 final gearing with a 120/70-ZR17 rear wheel. First gear was perfect for a good launch and I went 130 mph in 4th at about 6900 RPM. Yes, shifting to second was like shifting a standard transmission from 1st to 4th, but I had plenty of room to accelerate to 3rd gear. With 19 to 50, you might be OK - - about 110 mph in high gear at 7000 RPM.
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Post by Ian Hingley » Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:47 am

110mph = 175kmph.

Hope you're up to the challenge beat! <216

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Post by beat » Sat Aug 02, 2014 8:12 pm

Ian Hingley wrote:110mph = 175kmph.

Hope you're up to the challenge beat!
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Post by koncretekid » Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:43 pm

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Bonneville BSA B50 in 2010
Yes, 175 kph is possible on the B50. My first year at Bonneville on my road race version (basically stock frame with clip on handlebars and G50 seat) with a Megacycle X4 cam and a 36/40 mm Amal Mark II, I managed almost that speed (108 mph). I think if Beat goes down the mountain, he can do it!
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Post by HPbyStan » Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:53 pm

If you can go 108 at Bonneville, can you go faster or slower somewhere where there is air in the air. Does wind resistance out do added HP ?

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Re: Project Mail from Beat

Post by steve m » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:19 am

good question Stan. ;-)
it amazes me what you got to do to get speed at Bonneville. :roll:
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did you ever run that bike at Loring? (ie; near sea level)

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Post by Mark Cook » Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:59 am

What's handy to combine with the ultra low first gear set 14/29 is 19/24, 24/19 This requires two BSA Sliding Gear Wide Ratio Conversion PES0003 19T
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Post by koncretekid » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:52 am

HPbyStan wrote:If you can go 108 at Bonneville, can you go faster or slower somewhere where there is air in the air. Does wind resistance out do added HP ?
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Yes, I have run at Loring and with a few runs (actually 8 runs this year) I can usually dial in the motor pretty well. Then at Bonneville, although there is a lower barometric pressure, there is also less wind resistance, I only gain about 3 mph.

I'm sure the new second gear that Mark is suggesting would be a great help for most situations, but I have a mile or two so I don't need the lower second gear. I needed the lower first gear to keep from cooking the clutch plates while starting from a dead stop.

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Re: Project Mail from Beat

Post by beat » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:56 am

hi koncret,
koncretekid wrote: if Beat goes down the mountain, he can do it!
I guess the Cheney fraim is not realy built for this speed, - as my excuse :oops: .... and also guessing, the wind woult have stolen very soon my jacket and my helmet at this speed !
so I will be happy when the bike is able to go by 120KMh's for long distance ( more than 1/4 of a mile <205 ) and the police isn't watching me passing the roadwork aerea..... :???:
well, - if the 14 / 29 first is not helping, it may be as the 19 chainsprocket dos something, the rest will be done by the changing of the Polarity :!: ;-)

Mark, BTW,
this 14/29 first is a bit fat for my gearboxhousing
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the gear touches the casing at two places slightly
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cutting off abouth 1.5 MM on each place only....
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short job and it rotates nicely and free
so it isn't something big, just to watch out for it when fitting the gearset. <069




also yesterday I vent on to repair the SPARX Stator, - let say the cables coming out on it.
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as it looks like after 5 yers...
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touching the wires means - breacking it !
the isulation plastic was totaly cryspy, hard and dry!
no way to use it agayn.
so I cut them off abouth one cm from the cast
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cut and separate the thre wires near the body.
then cleaning the surrounding of the wires with the Proxxon / Dremel cutter to make shure the glue ( Araldite ) can do the job.
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also pre- soldering the coppers to be shure it is all oilfree.
next steps: soldering a good wire (PURE Cable ) on to it and preparing for gluening.
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also this wires: first pre filling with solder...
after soldering, making a housing for the Araldite Rapid and filling it...
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after two hours the glue is hard and it can be brought in to the shape as it dos not touching the primary chain.

hope this holds for a wile <213
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Re: Project Mail from Beat

Post by Ian Hingley » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:06 pm

Great post beat.

First part very funny, then some good technical stuff in the second part.

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Re: Project Mail from Beat

Post by minetymenace » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:29 pm

Thats the way to fix stators, nice one beat.
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Re: Project Mail from Beat

Post by Mark Cook » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:39 pm

I did say they were a tight fit Beat. Well done on the stator, just remember araldite goes soft when heated.
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