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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby Simmy » Mon Dec 21, 2015 5:18 am

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I don't intend to do any serious off-road riding on this bike but the looks of the BSA round rubber pegs truly frightened me!
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a skilled friend modified the aftermarket Suz RM250 footpegs to fit the BSA brackets. These are awesome footpegs and will now fit up to any BSA. They are listed as 91-2000 RM250 if anyone is thinking of using this idea. They are pretty close to the BSA to begin with but most importantly the angle lines up with the BSA part.
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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby skippy » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:54 pm

They look good. I have had trouble with my feet vibrating of the rubber pegs.
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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby HPbyStan » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:41 pm

On my flattrackers, I adjust the peg so the out side end is higher than the pivot point so ones feet vibrate toward the bike and not away.

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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby skippy » Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:06 pm

HPbyStan wrote:On my flattrackers, I adjust the peg so the out side end is higher than the pivot point so ones feet vibrate toward the bike and not away.

Looks like it's time to fireup the forge and do some bending.
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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby Simmy » Fri Jan 08, 2016 6:35 pm

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I salvaged the plastic cap for the coil but installed new wire plug and cap

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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby beat » Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:27 pm

Simmy wrote:nothing says vintage BSA quite like NGK


what about

" LODGE "

:?: :?: :grin: :grin:

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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby koncretekid » Fri Jan 08, 2016 10:55 pm

beat wrote:
Simmy wrote:nothing says vintage BSA quite like NGK


what about

" LODGE "

:?: :?: :grin: :grin:


I was thinking what about "LUCAS - Prince of Darkness" :ban
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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby beat » Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:11 am

koncretekid wrote:I was thinking what about "LUCAS - Prince of Darkness"

such a bike should go straight in to museum because it would never bringing you back home... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby Simmy » Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:45 pm

Not much to report on the Vic at the moment. It's pretty cold in the garage so I'm not spending much time out there. There's really not a lot to complete it now. Sooner or later I'm going to need help getting it off this stand to replace the sidestand and the skid plate.
Besides mounting the 2 items above, this is whats left to do:

- alter my fender stays to fit the 21" front fender and wheel
- fix my leaking forks - the new crush washers I installed were too big and I had to file them down to fit. They both drip oil so I have replacements but it means I have to loosen the fork caps and redo the fork oil.
- then mount the front number plate.
-I still need the spacer to clamp the fuel tank down but it's no longer available. I haven't completely figured out how this is assembled. I bought the rest of the replacement parts new but the main centre bolt seems too short - the rubber stopper thing mounts from the top of the tank - right???
-new gas line I have just waiting to install once I'm ready to mount the fuel tank for it's last time

-I need to mount the RH sideplate securely
-tank decals - I have replacement red BSA decals and the Victor champion decal for the top. I damaged some of the yellow paint using a chemical stripper to loosen up the old decal on top of the tank. I'm going to stick with the OEM paint anyway, need to keep something going from the original bike. The original BSA hand painted pin stripe is still intact.
-put oil in the primary drive
-splash of gas and start kicking

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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby koncretekid » Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:33 pm

Nice work, Simmy! As to getting it off the stand, at least the Victor only weighs about 290 lbs. so a couple of guys should be able to manhandle it. I really like the short seat and the peanut muffler, as they remind me of the '66 Victor I bought while still in college. Of course, the single seat had to go to make way for girlfriends!
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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby David S » Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:34 pm

I have a original 1966 BSA B44E enduro bike.On my 66 there are 2 rubber pads that wrap around the top frame tube on either side of the tank mounting bolt.I made new pads out of a automotive radiator house.I cut them to length and split one side length wise so they wrap around the frame.You are correct that the rubber bung goes in from the top.I can measure my sleeve for you.You should also have 2 or more large washers,one to go on top of the rubber bung and a couple on the bottom where the bolt goes on the frame.

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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby Simmy » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:06 pm

Thanks for the comments Tom, and David S (BTW I'm also David S) yes could you please measure the sleeve dimensions - ID, OD and length.
The carriage bolt I received measures 2-1/2" from the button head inside face. Let me know how long your bolt is please. As to the rubber cushions, I ordered and received the actual foam rubber from the part number in the manual.

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Need to make up the spacer for the tank mount as it is no longer available.
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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby David S » Sun Jan 24, 2016 7:48 pm

Will do Simmy.I will measure the sleeve later this evening.The original carriage bolt is 2.5"long.I wound up using a 3"bolt shaved down to 2.75" to fit my tank better,I believe that the new rubbers are taller than the originals.Now back to clearing snow.We got 30+inches of snow yesterday and I need to shovel off my garage roof.It drifted 5'deep on the north side of the roof!

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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby David S » Mon Jan 25, 2016 12:20 am

Simmy,
Here are the measurements of my tank spacer.Note:The original spacer is a rolled tube with a seam down it's side.One could be made on a lathe out of round bar stock if you want perfection.
Length 1.743"
I.D. .320"
O.D. .465"

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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby Simmy » Mon Jan 25, 2016 2:59 am

awesome David, thank you. Thanks for taking all that snow off our hands!
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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby David S » Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:32 pm

I have plenty of snow if you want some Simmy! They are already talking about another storm coming here by Friday! I also own a 68 441 Victor Special and this bike uses 2 horse shoe shaped rubber tank supports.I am not sure if this was a change by 1967 or if they still used the rubber sheeting/tubing as my 66 does.

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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby Simmy » Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:59 am

Mike from Northhumberland UK wrote: Just joined the forum as was rather shocked to say the least when I read of your BSA Victor Enduro, the reason being I have just bought a Victor enduro this week, which has been re-imported from the states back to the UK,and it has the same engine and frame number as your bike B44EA2312. If you send me your email address I shall send you photos of the bike. My machine is dated as 1967 according to the engine/frame number and has the round barrel which is correct for the bike, but notice yours has the square barrel and this did not come out until 1968 which makes your bike wrong for the age according to the engine number ?
I am not trying to be funny or smart here, but would like to get to the bottom of this, I am just in the process of registering this bike with the UK to get a registration plate number, but do not think it will make a lot of difference if two numbers are the same as your bike is across the pond.


It really is a small world, when I started my thread in project bikes the frame was still dirty and the serial number did look like 2312 to me. I stated many posts back that after closer examination my frame is actually 2812. My apologies to Mike with the REAL 2312, what are the odds of it showing up here on this forum! Too funny, maybe Rickard can correct my Subject line without screwing up the thread.
Sounds like Mike's bike is a real numbers matching original, not the collection of parts mine is, based on a 67 chassis with 68 motor.

I started playing around with the front fender stays I found on e-bay. I have a 21" front wheel and a new alloy fender meant for a 21" so the original stays for the Victor's 19" wheel were not going to work. I didn't have these anyway.
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I found a collection of fender stays and planned to modify them to closely resemble something BSA might have made.

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I'm going to install 3 separate stays, the big 21" will need more support than the 19" original, the 2 best ones I had were different widths

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1/4" round bar fits inside for a perfect fit.

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this will make it easy for welding. I know some of the best pressure welders around so I know beter than to weld anything myself.

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all the parts for the front and back stays ready for fitting

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once I have the main centre stay fitted up these may get a final adjustment. I'm trying to leave at least a 2" clearance from the knobbies to inside the fender to deal with any mud build up

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this is the centre stay which runs up parallel to the forks. It is constructed from 7/16" OD tubing, something not commercially available, at least something I haven't found yet. The other stays were more common 3/8" tubing. Still hunting and scratching my noggin'
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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby Simmy » Mon Feb 22, 2016 2:33 am

Further search of the internet revealed a wholesaler close to me selling everything you might need to build your own air plane. He had 4130 chromoly tubing in many smaller sizes so I ordered just 1 foot of 7/16" x .065" and used 5/16" threaded rod to make inserts to fit the joints together for welding. I'm still trying to decide how much gap to leave between the fender and the tire. I've seen what happens when you ride a street bike in mud, with a close fender it doesn't take much to hold the wheel from turning. There is a compromise here between function and aesthetics. Once I finish the centre stay I will adjust the other 2 stays to keep the fender concentric to the wheel. The generic fender I bought for 21" wheels is slightly narrower than the 19" OEM fender, it fits between the forks but I'd still like to form the indents for extra clearance.

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still deciding how far to gap the fender to the tire
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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby packw » Mon Feb 22, 2016 2:36 pm

Hi Simmy,
If it helps, Jeff Smith thought this was
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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby Simmy » Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:56 pm

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final fitment of front fender



Now that I have the front fender mocked up, I stripped the front end down again to replace the crush washers in the bottom of the fork legs and get the struts welded up with TIG.
My supplier keeps sending me washers that are just slightly too big and jamming in the hole. I spotted some copper washers available commercially with the correct OD. I'm going to try them and just drill the ID to fit. Small items but a royal pain in the ass after I had new fork oil installed. So far this has been the only oil leak although I've still to put oil in the primary case.
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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby Simmy » Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:56 pm

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can someone explain how this washer is installed?
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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby stew79 » Fri Jun 10, 2016 9:56 pm

hi simmy, have you chequed the resistance of that black plug cap ? the original one looks like the sort with no resistor, a red cap is 5k ohms, but a black one is 10k ohm. this could give you a weak spark. (especially if the plug also has a resistor)
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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby Simmy » Sat Jun 11, 2016 3:33 am

Hi Stew, by coincidence today was the day I took it off the stand. I kicked it over for about 20 strokes to make sure the oil was flowing then splashed gas into the tank.
Pushed the tickler until my thumb was soaked in gas and she sputtered on the next kick. A few more tickles and a few prods with my boot and it started right up. I shut it down after about 20 seconds because I want to make sure the oil is circulating back to the tank. :ban :ban :ban

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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby beat » Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:17 pm

Simmy wrote:a few prods with my boot and it started right up.

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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby Simmy » Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:41 pm

The project is 99% complete
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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

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There are a few things still to complete. The front brake cable is too long for the casing, I'm right out of adjustment so I need to install a nipple about 1" shorter. The throttle cable is a little too short for proper routing. The rear shocks are just spring holders and have zero dampening. Ideally some longer shocks to raise the rear end 1" to compensate for the larger front wheel. I love this bike!
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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby Barry Creary » Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:25 pm

Like :thumb :thumb :thumb I got Icons to make 1" longer shocks for my B50 and am very pleased with them Simmy

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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby Simmy » Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:18 am

I fired it up again with the oil cap removed, the oil is spitting out the tube just visible inside the tank, big relief knowing the oil is circulating properly.
It's not idling quite right so I'll need to play with the mixture screw a little. Sure is a lot louder than I expected! 778

Oh ya, also there are no oil or gas leaks, I'm amazed.
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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby David S » Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:59 am

Nice job there Simmy! It sure looks like it will really go!

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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby koncretekid » Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:11 pm

Well done, Simmy, you'll have lots of fun with your Victor. I ride mine in old bike events and take it to a monthly parking lot show and it always draws a crowd. Looks like you're headed to the back lanes and cow pastures. Any plans to get it ready for the road?
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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby beat » Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:47 pm

:thumb :thumb :thumb
Simmy wrote:Oh ya, also there are no oil or gas leaks, I'm amazed.


I am shocked :shock:

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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby minetymenace » Sun Jun 12, 2016 9:16 pm

I think you maybe being lulled into a false sense of security with respect to oil leaks.

Looks great, you'll have to put a video up. :lol: :cool: :lol:
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Re: Victor Enduro B44EA2312

Postby Simmy » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:49 pm

thanks for the complements guys. I'm taking it to the Paris Ontario Vintage Show next weekend. There is a big fair grounds there I can ride it around. Other than that no plans to put it on the street. I already have 4 other bikes on the road and insurance is killing me. I may not sell it but will always be open to interesting trades.
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