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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by roadplough » Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:39 am

never mind the "morning after" table

no c in it:
http://www.feked.com

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by steve m » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:21 am

thanks roady now it's unfeked.

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by Barry Creary » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:37 am

Hi Roadi
Is that were you bought your muffler that has rust marks <215

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by roadplough » Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:45 am

thought I did but can't see it there now, might've sold out. Looks the same as ones on ebay.
Definitely got the chrome high pipe from there because I remember asking if there were any without the reducer welded into the tail end.
There weren't.
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a bit rough, the one I got is a smoother bend up the inlet end which needs expanding a couple of mm.

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by nopdog » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:52 am

Sorry about that I must of been thinking about another word F--ked. As I have just pulled down an old motor B50 and its a little bit Feked.
I did have to get the header cut and re-welded to suit.
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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by Canberra » Sat Dec 22, 2012 5:51 am

I removed my header from the B50T i am working on and the stay that bolts to the front engine mount looked like a very strong weld and on close inspection it wasn't a repair but the original weld. Only problem is that the pipe was only 1/2 inch into the head :???: .

They couldn't even get the header right even at the factory :shock: .

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by Barry Creary » Sat Dec 22, 2012 6:47 am

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Just trying to post a photo. Got Skippys iresize app if it works I'll add words if not I'll try again. It didn't work, Mintey put them on for me :oops: there won't be much work on the B50 for a while as I'm still wondering what exorst to use. I have not run the engin yet the old muffler hits the Mudgard so I can't use it temporarily but I'll find somthing in the new year. <981
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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by Barry Creary » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:45 am

Hi gents
Just put the oil in the gearbox and O.I.F tank yesterday and when out to the bike this morning and remove the drain plug from Marks PES sump plate and got about 120 mls of oil. I did have the oil pump to pieces and all looked ok and put new ball I non return valve and gave it a tap to seat it. So the question is where does oil come from, <201 any thoughts would be greatly appreciated :thumb

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by steve m » Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:41 am

speaking personally, i wouldn't worry about 1/2 a cup Barry. please just make sure you squirt some down the pushrod tunnel just before you start it and around the valve gear while you're at it.
see what it's like after you have it running for a little while. lookin' good but. :grin:

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by Mark Cook » Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:57 am

I'd panic if I never got any. I like enough oil in the bottom so the crank can throw some up the bore on start up.

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by Barry Creary » Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:53 pm

Thanks Steve & Mark
I have left it for 24 hours now and will check how much I get this morning. I was going to pull the side case of and see if the oil pump is the problem but I'll take your advice and see how it goes <215 I also read a post about taking the spark plunge out and kick it over until oil comes out the return in the tank but I have a filter in the return and have kicked over for quite a while and when I take the filter off it's 1/2 full :shock: so I'll post when I get out of bed and drain the sump <220

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by beat » Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:02 pm

Barry Creary wrote:Don't know which tank to use alloi or blue your choice beat
very, - very , - very difficult to say!!
I guess, I would swap every day..... :ban

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by steve m » Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:10 am

Barry,
as long as there is oil in the frame, oil in the pushrod tunnel and oil in the sump, i reckon you are better off just starting it and then watch for oil in the return. the oil will get to where it has to be a lot faster. kicking it through takes forever and all those surfaces are still rubbing together. having said that, it is possibly smart to kick it over till oil comes out the pressure release and then start it.(what i do and forgot to mention :oops: ).

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by minetymenace » Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:59 am

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by Barry Creary » Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:22 am

Thank you Minety you are a champion I will add later going to bed now :grin: m

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by skippy » Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:33 pm

Looks good Barry I must get around to lowering my front mud guard. :thumb
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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by malcward » Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:02 pm

Looks really nice in the sunshine Barry, it's -10 and snowing here [supposed to be spring now]

Does the silencer give the goldie twitter ?

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by steve m » Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:31 am

well Barry that is a nice bike . is that an 18" rim? and you are going to have to tell us where you got that mudguard. beeeuty mate. :thumb

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by b50root » Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:53 pm

steve m wrote: and you are going to have to tell us where you got that mudguard. beeeuty mate. :thumb

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by beat » Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:04 pm

hi barry,
a realy nice one !!
but,- is not the rear chain a bit to strongly tighten up :?: :?:
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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by Barry Creary » Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:26 pm

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I have finely got the BSA ready to start, having a bit trouble there the Decompreson thing needs adjusting in the tappert cover so I have put it in gear push backwoods to compression then put in neutral and kick but no go, I think i read one of Komandos posts on how he starts without decompesson, I need more time to work on it. Back to work today :roll: the front Mudgard I got from Trogen classic bikes just a universal one with a bit of cuting and drilling :lol: yes Beat the chain is a bit to tight I need to add a link, I was going to ride it and see if it stretches a bit first :uhu and I had to lower the muffler to level because the kick starter hit it :shock: but I did not want to ask Minety to post another photo, I could be pushing my luck :oops:Yes Steve 18 " rear 19" front Trogen did them with Acront rimes and stainless spokes :thumb

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by Barry Creary » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:29 am

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by Barry Creary » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:18 am

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Can anyone tell me if the oil line going to the rocker box touching the reg rectifier will got hot enough to melt :shock: or should try to move the reg rec :roll:

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by skippy » Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:45 am

I wouldn't worry about heat but wear caused by vibration
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Post by Barry Creary » Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:35 am

Thanks Doug, are you impressed I got the resize working it was an upgrade :lol: and the back is just some arthritis :roll: so I'm happy with that :thumb

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Post by skippy » Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:00 am

I am impressed :thumb
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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by Barry Creary » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:33 am

Hi Gents
Well I finally fired up the beast late today :ban it only ran for about 30 seconds but it was a sweet sound. I drained the Castrol GTX oil and pulled the clutch apart and cleaned with petrol reassembled, refilled with Belray oil and tried to clutch start but the wheel just skid so i tried kick start :idea: it fired up :mrgreen: tomorrow I'll give it another go and check that it has oil pressure but I'm one happy boy :lol:

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by skippy » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:52 am

Great news the all British rally is coming up it would be good to see it there.
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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by Barry Creary » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:42 am

Hi Doug
I'd like to go well see how things go I still got to get to start easy. How's your bike going :thumb

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by skippy » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:57 am

Hi Barry
Still waiting on a thrust washer for the gearbox. I have rereamed the sleeve gear, it shouldn't take to long to get back together again.
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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by steve m » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:08 am

that's great news Barry. so, do you think it was clutch slip that was stopping it from starting up?
not sure but i think the days of running our bikes on GTX are over. it's different stuff than it used to be.
anyway, happy days. :thumb

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by Barry Creary » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:00 am

Hi Steve
The Belray oil seems to be thiner than GTX maybe that's the answer but I had no problems trying to start it before other than it not starting. We will see what happens tomorrow if I have time to play with the bike <213 if all that maters

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by Ian Hingley » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:28 pm

Barry Creary wrote:...but I had no problems trying to start it before other than it not starting ...
That'll be a BSA then. :thumb

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by steve m » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:00 am

Ian Hingley wrote:That'll be a BSA then. :thumb
:laugh :laugh :laugh
but seriously folks.
Ian's right, we need everything very close to "right" to start these bikes. and to that, all i was saying Baz is GTX probably has friction modifiers these days to make it slipperier and starting a B50 that has a slipping clutch, whether kicking or bumping can be very frustrating.

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by Barry Creary » Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:02 am

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I now have a first or second kick start BSA :shock: today I tried the way one of the forum members described :thumb taking it well over TDC then kicking hard :shock: then bang it started on the enricher :thumb got sum oil leaks :shock: so shut down and fixed them :roll: started again one kick :lol: the oil pump did nutty things :shock: like when I took the drain plug out of Marks (PES) sump plate 400 mm of oil came out :shock: then started again two kicks run for a bit and oil came out the tank overflow so stopped it:shock: then removed the dipstick the oil was to the top but receding quickly :roll: then I went for a ride around the block :lol: for about 15 minutes :thumb good fun :mrgreen: got back and oil was coming out the gearbox breather :( so cleaned that up and will see how a cold start goes tomorrow . Now photos off beat. The header bluing and spark plug Rich
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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by Ian Hingley » Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:05 pm

Hi Barry

Sounds like the oil had drained back into the sump but you topped the frame (tank) up anyway.

Engine starts, the pump scavenges the oil out of the sump and dumps it back into the frame. Frame is already full, so it overflows. You're not the first to have done this!

I find the extra drag on the flywheels when the sump is full makes it hard to kick over, so it sounds promising if yours was still starting easily.

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by beat » Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:15 pm

hi barry,
header bluing, easy starting evan with oil down in the sump - <201
this sounds for me as the timing is a bit late.
Barry Creary wrote:got sum oil leaks
this sounds for me as it is a real BSA :mrgreen:

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by Barry Creary » Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:50 pm

Ian I have fitted a spin on oil filter on the return so after kicking it over a bit the oil on the dipstick was low so I topped it up it took about 500 mm so I have drained that much now. Thanks for your advice.
Beat I will check the timing with a strobe today. It has tryspark electronic :uhu with a led light to set timing :grin: and has the biggest blue spark I've ever seen :shock: .thanks for your advice :thumb

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by David S » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:34 pm

Looking good Barry! I will need too try the same starting drill on my TR5MX.

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Re: BSA B 50 T restoration

Post by skippy » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:58 pm

Good to see its almost sorted out, they tell me the blueing on the exhaust is related to the chroming process used.
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