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Re: My B50SS project

Postby petef » Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:16 pm

Hi ampshire-og,

It was one I bought off eBay for £12 or so. It can handle oil & solvents. If you do a search for drill pump, you will see different types. Or, if you pay the postage both ways, I'll post my set-up down to you with all the hoses & fittings. It's the sort of kit you only use once, so no point in us all shelling out for it?
PM me with your address if you want it but be quick as I go off-shore on Tuesday for four weeks!

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Re: My B50SS project

Postby petef » Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:22 am

Next job now that the oil tank is sorted is to clean up the frame paint & get the engine in, going to try that before anything else, then get the frame on it's wheels.
Wheel brake plates are now cleaned up & the steel brake exterior parts chromed. New Metzeler tyres fitted to the wheels. Then it will be the swinging arm & new shocks fitted followed by the forks & stands once I have finished cleaning & polishing the fork sliders.
I will then try to get all the electrical components mounted so I can start re-wiring.

It will be good to have it starting to look like a bike again!

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Re: My B50SS project

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Re: My B50SS project

Postby johnq » Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:51 pm

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encouraged by yor patience i too decided to give the yokes a onceover .coming along nicely
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Re: My B50SS project

Postby petef » Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:19 pm

Steering head.jpg
Engine in frame.jpg
Now starting to bolt bits together, starting to look like a bike! First up was the engine in the frame followed by the swinging arm, rear shocks & front forks.
Didn't like the slots showing on the nut for tightening up the steering head bearings, but a shaped alloy ring, just the right thickness looks a lot better.
Instruments fitted but I think I will have to rubber mount them to stop any vibration killing them.
Made up a plate for the screw on filter, held onto the rear engine mount plates with four bolts, a tight squeeze but happy with it's position.
Getting ready to make-up the wiring loom, getting all the electrical parts mounted.
One problem & am having is with some of the bolts, the original lengths are a bit short for Nylok nuts, I'm having to re-order some of the bolts a bit longer. I have cheated in a few cases by turning down the back of some of the nuts but won't get away with that trick with them all. Any pulling forces & I keep the full nut size.
Unfortunately heading off-shore today for another four weeks so all progress will stop. But I'm pleased with the progress, didn't think my wonderful Wife would let me disappear into the garage for so long over Christmas.
Some on-line shopping this trip for the Tri-spark ignition & an Amal premier carb along with more stainless bolts, control cables & some braided oil & fuel lines. I should have everything to finish it next trip home but it will be the trip home after that before it's near finished I think.

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Re: My B50SS project

Postby minetymenace » Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:42 pm

Looking good. I don't suppose you will need to get at them for a while, but I think I would try to put the fuses in a place where you don't need to be a contortionist to change them.
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Re: My B50SS project

Postby petef » Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:46 pm

Hi Gerry,

Space is starting to get tight! Any suggestions where else I could put the fuse box? It's a smallish six way plastic box.
Just noticed I shrunk the photos a bit too much but can't do anything about that for a few weeks now.

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Re: My B50SS project

Postby Keefe » Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:01 pm

Looking nice.

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Re: My B50SS project

Postby minetymenace » Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:03 pm

Looks like you have the original airbox, on top of which used to be a tool tray, how about there, and it is close to the battery (which is a good thing)
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Re: My B50SS project

Postby petef » Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:14 am

Hi Gerry,

I don't have any sort of tool tray on the top of my air box, the tool tray is on it's own & bolts to the frame with the two bolts that hold the battery tray.
My thoughts were to put the fusebox & indicator relay on the tray. Can't see anywhere else at the moment where they could go, open to suggestions?

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Re: My B50SS project

Postby minetymenace » Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:45 am

Sorry, my bad, meant that tool tray, the one the battery side :roll: .....
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Re: My B50SS project

Postby AJ CCM » Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:46 am

The Bike is looking good Pete

Nice ride down to Shropshire to see your mate. <216

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Re: My B50SS project

Postby petef » Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:27 pm

Hi Alan,

Sounds like a plan!

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Re: My B50SS project

Postby petef » Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:06 am

Modified my posts a bit to show progress in a better order plus resized the photos.
Next big job is the wiring;
Suspended the electrical box to the side so I can wire it up. Using the hole at the front for the alternator (Zenner mount hole?) & ignition wires to go through after opening it out & fitting a grommet, that way the wires can run straight down the front tube. A bit tight in the box, had to change my plan for the indicator flasher unit to go in there, it's now on the tool tray with the fuse box.
Have to mount the twin relay for the main beam & dip in the headlamp shell as well as terminate the wires. With luck, I'll get the headlamp in!!

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Re: My B50SS project

Postby petef » Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:14 am

This is the final wiring diagram. It has been modified a number of times but this is the one I'm now sticking with!

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Re: My B50SS project

Postby beat » Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:36 pm

hi petef,

nice plan ( if I ever could read them :oops: )

I do hope with you for no more modifications......

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Re: My B50SS project

Postby petef » Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:31 pm

I've been working on trying to get everything into the headlamp shell tonight, it is going to be really tight. To leave the twin relay for the dip & main beam out of the shell would free up enough space but I would have to start rewiring from scratch, so that isn't happening! I wanted to use connectors in the shell for ease of maintenance & fault finding but it was going to use too much space, so I'm soldering & heat shrinking all the connections.
All good fun!
Should have the bike finished in around four weeks, getting exited now!

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Re: My B50SS project

Postby koncretekid » Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:33 am

I'd be a little concerned with the long turn signal stalks without using the "headlight interior support bracket" part number 97-4247. As for stuffing all the wires plus the two relays into the headlight shell, good luck! I did accomplish the same on a Norton Commando I restored recently, but it had the larger 7" headlight shell and I could barely get it closed. Is there such a thing as solid state relays that may be smaller?

Very sanitary job. I've rewired a few and usually ran out of wire colors and connectors before I was finished. One item I found which worked well was a vinyl harness wrap that looked like electrical tape but had no adhesive; you just wrapped the wires very tightly and used a bit of tape on the ends and junctions.

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Re: My B50SS project

Postby minetymenace » Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:19 am

koncretekid wrote:Is there such a thing as solid state relays that may be smaller?


Well, maybe...solid state relays are common, but tend to be the same size and shape as normal ones to aid interchangability (is that a word?)...I don't see why they have to be the same height though. Volker Sachse (RIP) used to do a flat electronic relay that fitted nicely on the inside of the headlamp. Below is the loom out of 778 , plug from the switch, Sachse relay, plugs for the speedo and headlamp plug go in the headlamp shell (trailing wire at the bottom is the front brake switch).
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Re: My B50SS project

Postby petef » Thu Feb 18, 2016 11:36 am

I'll stick with the current plan for now. I thought the support bracket was just in the MX model? But a bracket taking up more space is the last thing I need!
When I designed the wiring diagram, I got a list of all available wire colour options and made sure I didn't duplicate a wire colour unless they were a good distance appart or couldn't get mixed up.

Should know if I'm going to get everything in in the next day or two, I'll post a photo with lamp on (I hope!) & off. Anyway, if it doesn't fit, it is entirely Jerry's fault, he advised me to take the handlebar switches to the headlamp shell instead of the box under the tank (there is even less space there, but I won't tell him that!) so the cables wouldn't flex with steering movement. A good plan, if it all goes in.

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Re: My B50SS project

Postby Chris Pellett » Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:13 pm

Without the indicator/headlamp support bracket the shell is likely to fracture.
Also those indicators will come loose on their stalks (later Lucas items have a nut inside and outside of the plastic).
There is an answer:
Triumph put all their switch wires into the shell (on the TR5T) and to make room they moved the indicators neatly onto the handlebars.

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Re: My B50SS project

Postby petef » Thu Feb 18, 2016 9:22 pm

There is loctight on everything that isn't nyloc so I'm not too bothered about parts loosening off. On my B25 from many years ago, I didn't use loctight & it wasn't a problem, but I accept it was a different beast. It didn't have the support bracket as standard & I'm not sure I would have room for it,
but at least I got all the electrics to fit!

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Re: My B50SS project

Postby Barry Creary » Thu Feb 18, 2016 9:54 pm

Peter what headlight is that :?: it looks very nice :thumb

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Re: My B50SS project

Postby petef » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:48 am

Hi Barry,

Check out this linkto a previous post on headlamp lenses,
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6281
My lens was one of a pair that Ian Hingley got & sold his spare one to me. I can't find any information on it through, sorry!

Tom, I thought your point about the shell bracket was valid but I can't find one anywhere, does anyone have one spare?
The indicator's I have fitted are light plastic pattern parts & quite light, but I suppose over time they may well break the shell?

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Re: My B50SS project

Postby petef » Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:36 am

Connected the battery & tested out all the electrics. Only problems were no earth fitted to the headlamp shell, so the front indicators didn't work & I had the headlamp connections mixed up. Both easily fixed. Appart from the charging circuit that I can only test once the engine is running, all is good, a big relief! :ban

Does anyone have a headlight interior support bracket 97-4247, or know we're I can find one?

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Re: My B50SS project

Postby beat » Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:15 pm

petef wrote:all is good, a big relief!

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Postby johnq » Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:24 pm

headlight support bracket on ebay now £45 FFS
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Postby minetymenace » Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:50 pm

johnq how about a link or an evilbay number?
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Re: My B50SS project

Postby minetymenace » Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:54 pm

OK, found it here

Rubbers look a little perished, maybe Chris P has some...
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Postby johnq » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:39 pm

h <216 sorry. must learn how to do those linky things lol
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Postby HPbyStan » Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:28 pm

45 GP#s for a curved piece of metal. Lord help me not to get to a point I can't bend a piece of metal.

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Re: My B50SS project

Postby Chris Pellett » Wed Feb 24, 2016 12:49 am

JohnQ
Are you listing this or is it just a link?

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Postby minetymenace » Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:49 am

Chris, JohnQ is in Lancs, part listed in Brum. Not a definitive answer, just a guess.
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Re: My B50SS project

Postby Andy Chaos » Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:39 am

HPbyStan wrote:45 GP#s for a curved piece of metal. Lord help me not to get to a point I can't bend a piece of metal.


Too right Stan :shock:

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Re: My B50SS project

Postby hwan » Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:51 am

Bent bits of metal ........

i am afraid i just paid £XX for a twisted bit of metal for a WD Triumph 3HW restoration, I'm on with - the bit which holds the bottom of the WD panniers to the rear mudguard - about 14" x 1" x 1/8".

Ridiculously easy to make - BUT - i had no idea what it looked like, when i got it, its so CHEAPLY MADE, NASTY, CRAP - that (even) i would not have made it as bad !!!!
But it is authentic, and however 'bodged' it looks - its original !

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Postby Chris Pellett » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:10 am

Rubbers look a little perished, maybe Chris P has some


Don't want to start a Dutch Auction if JohnQ was the seller but yes I have got both the rubbers (new) and the brace (used)

PM me if interested

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Re: My B50SS project

Postby johnq » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:15 am

im not the seller wish i had a dozen though
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Postby AJ CCM » Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:10 pm

johnq wrote:headlight support bracket on ebay now £45 FFS

Pete why don't you bid £5 for it
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Postby minetymenace » Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:48 pm

Why not buy it off Chris P and support the forum members and keep the money local?
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Re: My B50SS project

Postby packw » Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:50 pm

Hi petef,
I like your circulating pump idea, but without a filter aren't you tending to circulate the same crud?

You have a nice white plastic tub next to the drill and pump. You could fill it with petrol and suck from it with the pump and return to it via the frame and a filter or even a piece of cloth so you can see the improving state of the petrol. (at £1.00/litre it'd be almost cost effective).

I'll be rebuilding my TR5MX engine this year and will use your idea to purge the frame, although the quantity of bloody oil that has passed through it and out via the sump plug after draining a wet sump it's probably as clean as a whistle!

I may even tap the rear frame drain hole 1/8"BSPP at the same time!

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