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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby johnq » Mon May 30, 2016 9:34 am

Looking fantastic. its going to be a great machine. ps what size front wheel have you gone for??
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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby Malcolms Lad » Wed Jun 01, 2016 12:40 am

thanks John, really am enjoying the rebuild its quite something having only ever seen a photo of something that definitely doesn't exist, in that guise anyway, and making it as near to reality again. I've always wanted 'that' bike.

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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby Nambo » Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:53 pm

I had a 19 in the front, are you changing the rim Joe. I see you have changed the front mudguard, do you want to sell the T140D mudguard and bracket back to me,?

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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby Malcolms Lad » Wed Jun 08, 2016 5:48 am

No mate my mistake/type o its staying 19 on the front, afraid the old mudguard has already been re purposed by my old man...

She's had another go at the wallet today with yet another order to Anita and some further investment in the re/wire and my replacement alloy levers.

Just need to get back from the states and get it finished up!
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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby Malcolms Lad » Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:26 am

Hi all, finally back from the states and plenty happening....

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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby Malcolms Lad » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:03 am

Ignition timing is now all done for the rotar plate, final fit of the rocker box tonight and the engine moves into its new home... becoming quite anxious now as next week is pencilled in for the first kick....
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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby minetymenace » Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:29 pm

Get someone to video the real first kick, (and of course put a still up of the engine in the frame). :thumb
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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby Malcolms Lad » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:26 pm

Certainly will do, had some minor delays with the kickstart issue and work have sent me to the netherlands for a couple of days but Friday I should be back on it!
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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby JeffB » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:48 am

Awesome project!!! Very very nice! This gives me the much needed motivation to continue with the rebuild of my B50 :thumb

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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby Malcolms Lad » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:07 pm

Thanks Jeff, and really thank you to everyone here. I could not have pushed through at the pace I have without the continual support of the best online support system I've had the fortune to bear witness too.

You guys have supplied me with invaluable advice, parts, encouragement and of course much entertainment with your own views and machines.

SlyDixons ability to keep going when the chips where down have been a real inspiration in chasing my (my dads) vision of the perfect OIF.

My crazy talk to build a 550 for it next so its exactly like the original is continually shouted down by the old man with phrases such as; "You want knees like mine?" "It'll break your heart and your wallet!".

I will definitely have some photos tomorrow when I get back home!
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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby Malcolms Lad » Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:40 am

First couple of kicks and there is life, but it certainly is consistant. Putting it down fuel, bloody mk2 amal!!!

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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby midgie » Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:47 am

she will go in the end, its not an option! hope you got your tank trim ok joe.

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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby beat » Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:00 pm

Malcolms Lad wrote:couple of kicks and there is life,

by this bikes, &lt;069 usually there is some time between " live " and - " I had a nice ride this weekend " :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby Malcolms Lad » Sun Jul 17, 2016 12:56 am

Agreed beat! She's getting there need to get to a stable starting position so I can fettle it some more.

Ignition is set spot on now so almost certain its carburettor setup.

Anyone got some suggestions?
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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby Sly Dixon » Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:11 am

Yes from my recent experience this is the most frustrating part of the process. It does come to an end though!

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Postby Malcolms Lad » Sun Jul 17, 2016 10:07 pm

Knowing where to start would be lovely aha
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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby stew79 » Sun Jul 17, 2016 10:30 pm

hi malcolms, just remember there are only 3 things that make an engine run. i copied this from an earlier post to danam.
hi danam, just remember that there are only 3 things that make an engine run, no mater how many cylinders or valves, 2 or 4 stroke. just go through them carefully one at a time .
1 / mechanical, thats compression, (take a reading) valve timing, every thing being set up right, and serviceable, no air leaks around the carb (things like no blockages in silencer, air filter etc)
2 / ignition, a good enough spark in the right place. the spark wants to be 5mm min with no cap (cheque res of plug cap) correct grade of good plug and correct gap. strobe the engine at kick-over (plug out but still connected, and earthed to make the circuit with strobe light) if it will run fast enough, cheque for adv / ret with strobe to what the book says. (might have to fix on a timing disc to cam or crank, and a pointer) cheque again at running temp for any changes.
3 / carb, obviously cheque all jets etc with book, and float height. fresh petrol (less than 6 months old ?) as hwan says, cheque for a good flow of petrol from tap / float bowl.
only when every thing is spot on, standard, and working as it should, can the performance of an engine be accurately assessed. then it could be improved or tuned up from there if you wish. to try and tune up a badly running engine with say, a bigger carb ? or open ex pipe ? or fiddle with the timing, might result in the same performance as it should have in the first place !
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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby Malcolms Lad » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:21 am

Agreed on all of that stew have performed those checks, differences being exhaust back pressure and carb up from 28 to 32mm.
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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby stew79 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:05 am

just out of interest, what is the ignition timing set at ? what advance do you have and at what speed ? is it setup with a strobe ,or just with pre set marks ? (which may not be accurate, hence the need to strobe at kick over)
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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby Malcolms Lad » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:39 pm

Hi stew, ignition was set static at 28 degrees and strobed to the standard mark on a spare primary cover to alt rotar mark. Tbh its not bad once started. Initial starting is tha pain!
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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby Malcolms Lad » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:54 pm

Well gents i do apologise, i promised photos and didn't really deliver although i thought a video was quite a step forward.... so here you go..

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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby stew79 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:26 pm

well thats looking great, but what is the timing set at ?? 28 deg ?? at what speed ?? when you kick it over where dose it spark ??? not 28 deg ?? 5 to 10 deg btdc as a starting point ? has it been strobbed with a proper degree wheel ? it should really start with no fuss.
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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby Ian Hingley » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:24 am

If it starts but erratically, I would look at the carb rather then the sparks. They're just not that sensitive to a couple of degrees.

Can you keep it running long enough to do some carb tuning? Get it going and whack the tickover speed up to keep it going. Then do the usual Amal pilot air screw and throttle stop screw tuning to see if it will run smoothly.

Had same issue with my brother's newly built victor, but once we had the carb somewhere near, it's pretty much a first kick starter.

Biggest starting assistance I've had is to increase the throttle stop 1/4 of a turn and keep your hand off the twistgrip when starting from cold. Of course this needs you to know where the ideal running throttle stop position is...

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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby Malcolms Lad » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:09 am

My thoughts exactly Ian, the ignition was set up exactly in accordance with the boyer kit. Yesterday I finally got her to run on idle and start first kick 4 times in a row which was pretty amazing. Plan is now to finish up the rest of it and stop by in a local industrial estate on the way to the MOT to have a good go at the setup without annoying the neighbours.

The only major change is I fitted the longer tail pipe with baffle to quieten it down whilst messing which in turn would enrinchen the idle circuit....?
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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby Malcolms Lad » Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:58 am

Wooooo First oil leak, rocker feed is leaking at the banjo!!!! and oil getting residue at the carb a little bit so reset the float height... again see if that helps matters.

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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby Ian Hingley » Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:12 am

Malcolms Lad wrote:...and oil getting residue at the carb ...


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Postby Malcolms Lad » Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:03 am

that should read and also..... getting residue s in fuel sorry
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Postby Malcolms Lad » Sat Jul 30, 2016 6:26 pm

Getting there.... Homemade seat cover to get me by...

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Postby HPbyStan » Sat Jul 30, 2016 7:04 pm

Why do you Brits insist on trying to start these things without a proper compression release ? It's like being stuck in the past using that R40 cutting oil as a lubricant. A DRZ400 S u z u k i decompression lever allows the BSA compression release setup to work as it's supposed to and not wear out the hole in the rockerbox while it's at it. A note is under picture if you click on the pic. The earlier DR350 uses the cable ball end type.
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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby beat » Sat Jul 30, 2016 9:58 pm

hi Joe,

this additional Airblower ( this red one ) pointed to the head, - should it not pointing to the barrel finns for real better cooling reasons :?: :?:

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Postby Malcolms Lad » Mon Aug 01, 2016 12:45 pm

Aha yeah I guess so beat, i just love the look of them it fills that space nices and somewhat more shapely than the big alloy box.....

So the time is nearly upon us gents its MOT day on thursday, should the beasty pass I'm going to take the daring risk and have a run into Birmingham and get some photos down at armoury road just for giggles. Got quite a snag list for the evenings of this week!
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Postby Malcolms Lad » Tue Aug 02, 2016 5:10 pm

I know you love photos, more mot preparations!!!

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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

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Traps to catch a bears foot :?: :?:

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Postby Malcolms Lad » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:49 am

Indeed Beat...

Here's to hoping for a sympathetic MOT inspector, she appears to have quite a bark when she's running nice..

The exhaust looks the part though so we'll see what happens.
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Postby Malcolms Lad » Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:34 pm

Woooooo we have an mot and an oil leak..... But we have an mot!
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Postby johnq » Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:47 pm

Fantastic news, hope the leak is an easy fix am doing a similar project so following with interest, Well Done, lots more pic's
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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

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Malcolms Lad wrote: and an oil leak


only one ??

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Postby Malcolms Lad » Mon Aug 08, 2016 10:21 am

Fetched my dinner last night:

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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby Malcolms Lad » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:20 am

Hi all, Happy 2017 I know its been far too long but heres the result of the big day. 20 seconds in.....

https://www.facebook.com/visionwaveweddings/videos/1237629656297891/

I've got some photos to share too....

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Re: 1978 CCM Replica Build

Postby Malcolms Lad » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:37 am

Similiar to a certain Bike magazine article found the place only some houses now stand where my dads garage once was... that said the flat is still there with the bedroom the original first started life back in 1977...

This was a fun day.. I followed this by going over to cofton park near longbridge for some scenic-ish photos. And remarkably a chap came walking over saying... "Is that Malcolm Holliday's old bike, I watched him building that and so on...." Took me by suprise to say the least but it must be a close replica ...

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