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BSA B50 Colours

Post by b50root » Wed Jun 02, 2004 6:59 am


Shall we try to sort this out about the colours on the B50?
If you have any colour code that could be used I and lots of others will be happy.
Please help us with colourcodes, measurements of stripes and linings.


In the BSA sparepartslists from 1971 says:

Petrol tank:
Polished ally sides, Black centre stripe, Black side stripe, red lining /291
Flamboyant red /170
Flamboyant red, Black centre stripe, Black sidee stripe, Red lining /285

Mudgards:
Flamboyant Red, Black centre stripe /293
Flamboyant Red White Centre stipe. /287

Side covers:
Flamboyant Red /170

In the BSA sparepartslists from 1972 says:

Petrol tank:
Polished aluminium, White center stripeFlambordeaux side stripes /314
Hi-violet /315

Mudgards:
Rear Hi-violet /315
Crome /003

Side covers:
White /305
Hi-violet /315

Steve Wilson in the book BSA motorcycles since 1950 Says:

1971
SS
Petrol tank:

Flamboyant red or Blue center and side stripes black ( I have seen one B25 in blue BSA Sales brochure )
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Side covers & mudguards:
Matching , latter with black center stripe

T
Petrol tank:

Polished alloy with black centre and side stripes.

Side panels and mudguards:
Red and striped as on SS

1972
SS & T As 1971 but tank colour, side panels and mudguards :

Hi Violet
Frame:
Black

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Conclution????

Post by b50root » Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:22 am

Conclution????

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1971 Early

Grey frame,
2 gallon Petrol tank flamboyant red with black center and side stripes.
Flamboyant red with black center stripe on front mudguard.
Flamboyant red on rear mudguard.
Flamboyant red side covers,

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1971 Late August 1971 (JG) onwards Europe

Black frame,
3 Gallon Petrol tank flamboyant red.
2 Gallon Petrol tank flamboyant red with black center and side stripes with red-lined.
2 Gallon Polished alloy sides, black centre stripe, black side stripe, red lining
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Flamboyant red side covers.
Flamboyant red with black center stripe on front mudguard white lining. Image

Flamboyant red on rear mudguard.
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1972 USA

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Black frame
UK Australia and Europe: Petrol 3 gallons tank the hi-violet.
Export: Petrol 2 Gallon Polished alloy sides, hi violet centre stripe, high violet side stripe, red lining /white lining
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2 Gallon Petrol tank , high violet.
Hi-violet side covers. Hi-violet on mudguards.
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However, many red bikes were still made.










T

1971 Early
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Grey frame,
2 gallon Petrol tank flamboyant red with black center and side stripes.
Flamboyant red with black center stripe on front mudguard.
Flamboyant red on rear mudguard.
Flamboyant red side covers





1971
Image Image

Black frame,
2 Gallon Petrol tank flamboyant red with black center and side stripes with red-lined.
2 Gallon Polished alloy sides, black centre stripe, black side stripe, red lining
Flamboyant red side covers.

White covers
Flamboyant red with black center stripe on front mudguard.
Flamboyant red on rear mudguard.






1972
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Black frame
Petrol 2 Gallon Polished alloy sides, hi violet centre stripe, high violet side stripe, red lining
Hi-violet side covers.
White side covers.
Hi-violet on mudguards.
Crome fenders
However, many red bikes were still made.









MX

1971 USA
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Frame: Grey. Black probably after August 1971 (JG) .
Polished aluminum petrol tank and candy purple center and side stripes Image
Crome fenders

1972 Europe
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Frame: black.
Polished aluminum petrol tank and black center and side stripes.
Crome fenders

1973 Europe

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Frame: black.
Polished aluminum Petrol tank and yellow center and side stripes. 16
Crome fenders

For both 1971 and 1972, and 1973 as well, two sets of side panels were offered.
For models sold and expected to race in the UK and Europe, the side panels were round,
and the number background was yellow as dictated by the sanctioning bodies in the Uk and Europe.

In the US, the side panels were square and had a white number area,
as to conform to the AMA rules in place at that time.

I have borrowed some photos from Internet I hope they don´t mind.

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Colours

Post by Guest » Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:08 am

For colours, just a few words : I have seen once a B25 ss in its original blue paint, and one has been tried in a french magazine (I think it was auto-moto journal) in the early seventies.
For B50 the help I can give you is that exists another paint scheme as mine is original (it's a71/72 intermediate model) and never been touched :
chromed front guard, black front brake.
red tank (nearly candy) side covers and rear guard , without any stripping, and rear brake plate is alloy grey painted...It's exactly the same bike as the one on test in Italo-french magazine "Motocyclisme"...
Frame and engine numberss are HE 15203.

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Post by b50root » Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:16 am

Hi Guest. Is it a SS or a T?
Is it the 2 gallon tank??

Any photo??

Thanks for letting me know the yearcode (HE) ( Same as mine )
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Re: Colours

Post by gb » Wed Jun 02, 2004 1:10 pm

Eh Rickard, it's a three gallons tank (but I usually fit a two gallons for it' much glamour look and it's a SS model.
Have a nice day.
Sorry, no scan, so no photos...
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Colors?

Post by b50root » Tue Jun 22, 2004 2:43 pm

No one repainted their bike in original colors???

No one who can measure the fields and stripes??

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Post by natman » Mon Sep 20, 2004 6:16 am

My 72 USA B50T looked just like the picture shown, except the center stripe on the top of the tank is White. The side stripes are Hi-violet. I believe that if you look carefully you can tell that the tank in the picture has a white top, not Hi-violet.

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The B50ss colour question (definative?)

Post by Canberra » Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:53 am

The simple answer may be that they made the colour and pattern anything they wanted at the factory.

My bike has JE frame/engine number. It was sold in UK in 1972. It was flamboyant red with no stripes on the tank and I cannot remember any stripes on the guards. I bought it in 1973 with the original colours. The 3 gallon tank was fitted with chrome flashing on the top centre weld.

The flamboyant red was a disaster colour as it was hopeless in the sun and faded within a short period of time. If anyone has a bike with original colour on it then it has been housed in a cave and never used. I had to repaint my bike within 2 years of purchase as it looked very jaded.

Maybe they were too lazy to put the stripes on or they were confused as to whether it was bound for UK, European, USA or some other market. Mine seems to be similar in colour scheme to guest on 1st June but front and rear brakes were grey and the front guard was painted flamboyant red.

Maybe the artistic bent of the spray painter or whatever he/she felt at the time looked good is the answer.

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Post by roadplough » Wed Dec 01, 2004 5:16 am

As for the fields and stripes, I paint-stripped a 2 gallon b25 (March '71) tank many years ago and found the stripe edges to be lightly scribed into the alloy, making it very easy to mask up.
The tank was painted gold with black stripes when I got it and obviously a brush job with the gold so I stripped that off, leaving the factory black.
It was only after I stripped off the black a few years later that I discovered the scribed lines.
It ended up being polished alloy with British racing-green stripes.

Or British green racing stripes..

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Post by Bill » Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:51 pm

Yes I’ve found the faint scribed lines on the tank; mine was yellow but had already been striped back to the bare alloy when I got it.

My preference is the hi-violet (purple) does anyone know of a good match for that colour in a car aerosol paint can from Holts or some similar supplier in the uk ?

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Hi-Fi Violet Match

Post by Costa » Wed Dec 01, 2004 8:22 pm

Take a look at a colour chart for 68-70 Dodge-Chrysler-Plymouth: look for Plum Crazy. It should be very, very close.

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Post by 019 » Sun Dec 19, 2004 1:40 pm

Hi !

I have a brand new Hi-violet 2 gallon tank, I think 1972 and a 3 gallon tank in flambojant red (?) both without any stripes. On both tank you can easily see the VERY bad quality :evil: of the original paint job ! Underneath there is barely any paint !
But - as far as I have had heart somewhere - it is possible today to analyse the paint to get a matching colour or colour mixture from a painted piece of metal . Would it be helpful to take the tanks to a paint shop to let them analyse the colour ? Result may be that we can get a colour nearest to the original !??
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Post by JB » Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:36 pm

Hi Reinhard

Some of the BSA/Tri colours in 71 used a method of painting that came from the custom paint shops in the USA, I think it was called something like candy flip flop? It was a two part paint process where a base coat was applied all over the tank usually white sometimes silver. The top coat was the hard part because the right amount of paint had to be applied evenly over the base to get a shining effect from the base coat. Someone once told me that it wasn't even unusual to see slight differences from one side to the other on the same tank!!

There are a few good paint specialists over here that only do motorcycle work, they would be able to match your paint using the same methods as BSA. I could pass on details to you if you want.

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Post by Mark Cook » Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:54 pm

Never realised paint was such a problem, I just throw it at my man. Andy at Swindon Classic Bikes and he gets on with it. +44 (0) 1793 829560 Maybe I shouldn't moan at the price next time :oops:

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Paint Problem?

Post by b50root » Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:34 pm

Well if you want to have a color as close as possible to the original you have a problem. You cant bring a photo to your painter and tell him that you should have a paint exact to that. A photo does´t show exact right color and You should also know how it was painted.
I would love to know a color that is ok.

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Post by ghislain » Tue Mar 08, 2005 9:14 am

Hey, Rickard,
just another kind of paint scheme : the SS model for sale (auction) in Australia today : same as mine for front mudguard and chain case chromed, rear painted, but paintscheme is different ,may be a new paint???
Otherwise the bike numbers show clearly an intermediate 71/72 model...
Have a nice day, all of you!!!

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Post by b50root » Tue Mar 08, 2005 9:51 am

Where is the auction? Do you have any address?

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Post by roadplough » Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:35 am

http://b50.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=294

If it can be established that it's factory paint, maybe the pic should go in your post above Rickard?

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Post by ghislain » Tue Mar 08, 2005 2:19 pm

Sure I 've never seen any three gallons tanks with stripes but???
Before this one (HE 15503, right???) just knew mine and another french one with chrome front guard and chain guard(mine is HE 15203)
It seems that for these early 72 models, there are quite different finishes...

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1972 PAINT

Post by BeezaRob » Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:46 pm

I bought my Hi Violet B50SS KG01614 new on Dec 22nd 1972 , 3 gal and the fuel cap leaked as soon as fuel was put in it and it went strait through to the metal, great news. There was no wax or polish on the tank. The bike had been shipped upside down for part of its rourney so the handbook was oil soaked. 3mths later the bike got run into by a drunk outside my folks and the tank got dinged etc. So we went to repaint it and it had a silver base. That was the easy bit. The purple we had matched at the local Britax or something paint factory. As pointed out it was impossible for the painter then to get the colour even all over so we gave up. Still have that paint tine at dads somewhere, will pull it out at Xmas time. The red 71 I had 3 gal was badly faded. The tank was nearly a brown colour and one side of the rear guard had faded to white, and yes, under the seat it was bright flamboyant red. The red had a base coat of gold for 71. I must dig out all those old photos & submit
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B50 PAINT

Post by nurk » Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:59 am

I've just acquired a '71 'American Import' B50 SS, GE engine number, produced 8 bikes after the one in the original enquiry in this paint forum thread. It's only got 7k miles on the clock and had been sitting in a shed for 30 years, so I reckon the paint is original. Its flambouyant red and has obviously been stored with one side next to a window, because all the paint is faded down one side just like Beezarob's, and similar build quality issues eg the black stripe on the guard is more like tape and can be picked off with a fingernail, and its been painted on off-centre. Anyway, I'll send a couple of pics to be posted in the interests of a record of the original paint layout for the build month.
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Post by b50root » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:11 pm

Here are the pic from Nurk.

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Post by minetymenace » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:58 pm

Am I the only person who has discovered this thing called rust? I believe it to be a ferrus oxide, and seems to be endemic to Minety. How come none of you in the southern hemisphere have it? Is it because you have a manopoly on ozone and all the available O is combined to make O3 rather than FeO2......

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Post by BeezaRob » Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:10 pm

Rust, perhaps we do, our cycles see a lot of sunshine thats why they fade but condensation does cause rust on mechanical parts when said parts are not in use for long periods, but that is rare, as we are always outside playing under those endless hours of blue sky and sunshine. I will try and find some rusty parts this new year and send you a photo. B50 parts are also very valuable to us so perhaps my friends keep them in warm closets
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Post by roadplough » Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:50 am

My black 3 gallon tank, side covers and rear guard are black over undercoat with gold pin-lines BUT, the front mudguard is black over gold over u/coat. The same gold as the pinstripes on top of the black.

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B50 colours

Post by B4450Paul » Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:36 am

my 1st B50 SS in 74 was 2 tone purple
after an accident the P O had the front fender repainted
as the shop diden't quite match the colour they painted the side covers as well, leaving the tank and rear fender original .
had to be pointed out why it looked weird.
I grew to like it's uglyness. paul

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Post by BeezaRob » Sat Dec 17, 2005 9:16 am

And uglieness has got to be one of the most interesting points about the UK model B50. When my B50SS with the 3 gal tank arrived in the showroom a few local turned up for the preview night, no one had seen one in our area. The range of comments ranged from, a Pakistani put the tank on back to front, shes a light one, how dare they call it a Gold Star. That Pakistani tank and all the other quality control faults took a bit of getting used to. Thats a good point I should write a long lists of the faults of the new bikes, but then, do you all have rose tinted glases?
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Post by roadplough » Sat Dec 17, 2005 4:33 pm

No rosy specs on me, a few flies' and other bugs perhaps but a list of faults would be a most valued topic, I'd say.

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Post by BeezaRob » Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:32 am

Thanks Roadplough, Noosa is a mighty fine place, wouldnt mind a shack down by the beech to watch the Pelicans cruising the waters edge as the sun goes down. Will give list some thought as a new topic
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Re: BSA B50 Colours

Post by minetymenace » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:37 pm

Impressive amount of views on the topic! roadplough has'n posted for a while, I emailed him a while back to see if he was ok, which he seemed to be, but has other things going on at the moment....
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Re: BSA B50 Colours

Post by b50root » Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:50 pm

Yea I miss him too.

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Re: BSA B50 Colours

Post by roadplough » Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:22 am

Thanks for the sentiment you blokes, likewise.
I'm still kicking as is the B50 (both of us busy as buggery the last few years) but it's stinking hot today, 42 Celsius on the shady veranda and still rising.
The beach would be the place to be perhaps.
The B50 doesn't mind the heat and I don't either normally but on the road an hour ago I had to ride with eyes shut - every few hundred yards or so there'd be a really hot stretch, so hot I could feel my eyeballs cooking at 60mph, had to close the lids, no option and never before experienced such conditions here on the coast.
At least with eyes closed I couldn't see the paint job blistering in the sun, ..so circling back to topic? :grin:

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Re: BSA B50 Colours

Post by beat » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:17 pm

<135 Mr roadplouhg,
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Re: BSA B50 Colours

Post by steve m » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:05 pm

gooday Geoffrey,
nice to hear you are well and the B50 too. it's a good thing being busy but don't forget a blokes gotta make time to play with his toys.

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Re: BSA B50 Colours

Post by BSAKET CASE » Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:57 pm

Greetings all - just joined and noticed this post. I have a '72 B50T US model that is still in it's original paint: high violet and white, albeit somewhat tatty. On seeing this post I though I better check to see if there was any archaeological interest in what is there before I send the tank and side panels off for repainting.

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Re: BSA B50 Colours

Post by b50root » Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:12 pm

Hi And <135


Could you please give us some measurements on the fields and strips??

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Re: BSA B50 Colours

Post by BSAKET CASE » Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:52 am

OK - will do, meanwhile attached is a photo of the old girl as found.
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Post by b50root » Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:18 pm

Whats the frame code? The 2 first letters??

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Re: BSA B50 Colours

Post by BSAKET CASE » Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:36 pm

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Re: BSA B50 Colours

Post by steve m » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:46 am

good to read this post again.
it seems as though i might have bought the SS that roadplough and ghislian are talking about in the March 2005 part of this topic. i bought this bike in July 2008 off ebay, from Queensland. engine number has one number different, i'm thinking perhaps a typo.
1971 B50SS, HE 155*3, 3 gal tank with side stripe and megaphone exhaust. it is definitely NOT original paint on the tank. pictures of this bike appear in the JRC carbie topic in tech but, i will post pictures later. also pictures of my other '71 B50SS HE which i have owned for 36 years and believe to be original paint.
Rickard,
is it possible to make the link in roadplough's post work again?
roadplough & ghislain,
do you remember anything about the auction you mention, or anything else about the bike?
the previous owners told me they bought the bike at a Shannons auction in Victoria at about the time of your posts.
i'd be most grateful for any info you can recall.

steve

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