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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by johnu » Wed May 20, 2020 1:17 am

Moving forward slowly, got the brake pedal done. Side panels next.
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by johnu » Fri May 22, 2020 12:17 am

Still moving forward at what seems like snail pace <201 I got both of the side panels mostly done today, welding mounting brackets on tomorrow. My biggest issue right now is that I really need to get started building the wheels up but I have been unable to source gold alloy dimpled rims. I have the color scheme all worked out for this bike and it needs the gold rims. The only ones I can find are Sun non dimpled rims and the are way expensive. I thought I was going to be able to get Excels but there are none available in gold. I am going to use a 1980 Y*maha 465 front hub as it has 36 holes compared to the original 40 hole hub.
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Post by minetymenace » Fri May 22, 2020 10:18 am

Have you considered getting bare rims with dimples and getting them annodised?
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by FranktheWelder » Sat May 23, 2020 1:39 am

That side panel came out nice!
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by johnu » Thu May 28, 2020 12:38 am

Working on the airbox today. Still putting off starting the gas tank :mrgreen: Think I'm going to bite the bullet on the gold Sun rims even though they are non dimpled, that way I can still use the original front hub so will be eligable for AHRMA.
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by johnu » Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:47 am

Front hub not looking too good:( May just smooth it out or get it built up with weld then stick it in the lathe.
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by johnu » Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:41 am

Well it's not much but I got the swingarm finished with the chain guide and chain wearstrip sorted. I really need to get the wheels built so I can get rear mudguard position determined then I can make the seat to suit.
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by johnu » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:32 pm

Well I was able to repair my front hub using my brand new tig welder. First time trying to weld cast ally with tig, well I've actually done very little tig work ever. Finished part looks ok, it looked like a pigeon crapped on it before maching :lol: When it's painted black should look pretty good I think.
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by johnu » Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:01 pm

Hub came out pretty good.
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by johnu » Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:26 pm

Also made a points cover. Just need to engrave it and get some countersunk or pan head screws. Anyone know what thread the screws are?
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by mlb50 » Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:36 am

I think the points cover screws are 2BA.
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Post by minetymenace » Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:31 pm

yep, 2BA
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by johnu » Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:06 am

Getting ready to start fabbing the tank up. Bought half a sheet of 3003 0.063" ally. Also bought a small cheap ($125) english wheel from Home Cheapo and as a lot of the reviews said it is rubbish and unusable due to misalignment of top and bottom rollers totally crap tolerance on moving parts. However for that price it comes with a full set of dies so that in itself is a bargain. I am modifying the frame and getting everything lined up then I'll be ready to start forming! Here is first attempt on a small piece of scrap, works a treat. Never used an english wheel before.
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by beat » Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:05 pm

johnu wrote:
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Also bought a small cheap ($125) english wheel from Home Cheapo
very interesting :!: :!:

like to se your progress.

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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by johnu » Sat Jul 18, 2020 1:21 am

Sun rims and spoke kits showed up from Buchanans today :thumb I was wary about ordering them as it was a $900 purchase but this is top shelf kit. Just need to do a proper job of building them up, don't want any trouble when I'm landing the 80ft triple :mrgreen:
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by johnu » Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:48 am

Front laced and trued.
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by koncretekid » Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:54 am

One thing you need to be aware of is that Buchanans always include a slip of paper that seems to indicate "80 in-lbs" torque may be required for heavy bikes. I don't think that's necessary, but if you call them, they will tell you the correct torque for your application.
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by johnu » Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:59 am

Rear wheel laced and trued. Probably should get back on the gas tank!
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by johnu » Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:33 am

Thanks Tom, I did a little research and settled on 35 in-lbs. My KTM's are 6nm which is almost twice as much but those hubs and spokes are really stout. Will check them after the first ride.
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by johnu » Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:32 am

One side of my tank mostly done.
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by johnu » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:44 am

Moving forward with the tank. I am not going for perfection here, more function. Still learning my new tig welder, one thing is for sure it is so much easier tacking with tig than oxy/acetylene. Still may do the final welding with gas though.
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by johnu » Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:51 am

More progress, lining up rear mudguard and sorting air box.
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by robtg » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:30 am

johnu wrote:
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Moving forward with the tank. I am not going for perfection here, more function. Still learning my new tig welder, one thing is for sure it is so much easier tacking with tig than oxy/acetylene. Still may do the final welding with gas though.
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Looks good, finish weld it with O/A. Better penetration and less leaks.

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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by Momus » Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:56 am

[/quote]Looks good, finish weld it with O/A. Better penetration and less leaks.
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

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Momus wrote:
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Looks good, finish weld it with O/A. Better penetration and less leaks.
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Don't think so. You may want to look into how the pros do it.

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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by johnu » Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:54 pm

As far as I am aware O/A is the best way to weld it, as mentioned that is how most pros do it.

I have welded up one tank with O/A before and it is not easy and I have a lot of O/A welding experience mostly with steel though. The bungs I will use the tig though as I think it is easier when welding thick to thin material. However I have only just started with tig welding so that will not be easy!
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

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johnu wrote:
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Momus wrote:
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Looks good, finish weld it with O/A. Better penetration and less leaks.
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Don't think so. You may want to look into how the pros do it.
[/quote]

As far as I am aware O/A is the best way to weld it, as mentioned that is how most pros do it.

I have welded up one tank with O/A before and it is not easy and I have a lot of O/A welding experience mostly with steel though. The bungs I will use the tig though as I think it is easier when welding thick to thin material. However I have only just started with tig welding so that will not be easy!
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I have made a lot of tanks, fairings, and seats and I tig the bungs in too.

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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by FranktheWelder » Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:19 pm

Bike is looking great John!

After welding up my tank I did a bunch of "book learning" on youtube and propane and low gas pressure seem to be the ticket for gas welding. I got it to work with 1100 filler but wasn't very consistent. Frank
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

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"A clear indication that we let you colonials own a county too soon."

You probably wouldn't want it back in the condition it's in right now.
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Post by FranktheWelder » Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:48 am

After that I wondered what flux was being used?
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Post by robtg » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:01 am

https://www.tinmantech.com/products/wel ... g-flux.php

I just get the premium stuff, works for me.
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

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robtg wrote:
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Looks good, finish weld it with O/A. Better penetration and less leaks.
Opposite brother. I've made many fuel tanks; all TIG welded.

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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by robtg » Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:34 pm

^^^ Not the same. The original post was about motorcycle fuel tanks. Those tanks do look nice.
Tig would be the best way for them.

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Post by johnu » Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:11 pm

I also use that tinman tech flux.

Oh and Mintey, i'll try to limit the quotes. FYI I am a Brit living in Cali :razz:
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by Momus » Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:21 pm

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^^^ Not the same. The original post was about motorcycle fuel tanks. Those tanks do look nice.
Tig would be the best way for them.
I make bike tanks too- all TIG welded and from 5005 not the easy soft 3003.
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by johnu » Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:51 pm

Momus, I would be interested to see a photo of one of your motorcycle tanks!
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Re: 74 TR5 MX Project For Ken

Post by FranktheWelder » Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:03 am

I have made things out of 5052 before. It work hardens pretty quick. I was completely unaware of 5005 till you brought it up. thx
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